Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. I do. Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged in, Please refresh your browser to be logged in, Isabel Oakeshott terminates interview after clashing with presenter over Hancock leak. By continuing to use our site, you consent to the placement of cookies on your browser and agree to the terms of our Privacy Policy. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. Buckingham Palace and the Duke of York have been approached by MailOnline for comment. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Jealousy was the motive. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Phone records dont lie.) DNA also doesnt lie. Just one example. WoW! I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Tate has a dark spot on his lung, most likely a tumour, a spokesperson told Mail Online. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Beautifully said Cliff! Its totally irrelevant. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Police say Rorrer put a .22-caliber bullet in the mother's head, strangled the baby and placed him in the dead mother's arms. Police took a tearful Rorrer to the Davidson County Jail in Lexington. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! She had money put aside. You know whats interesting? The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. If the answer is no, enough said! After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. ``They did the technical stuff, DNA testing and all that, and we did the grunt police work,' Hege said. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Prosecutor pounds away. By. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. They blocked each exit to make sure police couldn't extradite Rorrer before they saw her. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? He was happy. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Do not sell or share my personal information. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. And Patricia wasnt all edges. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. One insider said: 'Andrew is insisting on having a job despite being made to stand down from his duties and now he's being kicked out of his home,' according to The Mirror. It seems so, according to you. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. He lived in 1910, at address, Connecticut. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Rorrer's attorney, Bill Fritz of Lexington, refused to comment on the case. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Not normal folks obsessed ones do. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. Why not question some of this evidence? They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Now, there are suggestions the family's solution to Andrew potentially losing his home could be to move him into the 'nest egg' Fergie purchased as an investment for their daughters, Princess Beatrice, 34, and Princess Eugenie, 32. What will the next pandemic be? The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Katrinak, Andrew J.Andrew Joseph Katrinak, 88, of Bethlehem, died on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at Blough Healthcare Center in Bethlehem. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. What a lame article. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. Nope. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. Prince Andrew has offered to run some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion - with King Charles reportedly telling him 'there is no chance of that happening'. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. They broke up in 1993. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Acquaintances said Rorrer started dating Brian Ward, 34, in 1995. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. A Patent Pending People Search Process. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. Thats my life.. Authorities said the 3-month-old died either of suffocation or of exposure while lying on his mother's stomach. The Duke of York is set to lose 250,000-a-year in funding from the King as part of a shake-up of private royal finances and has had to sell off assets including a 19million ski chalet to cover the costs of settling the sex scandal case with Virginia Roberts Giuffre - a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. Cop defends accused. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! Combination locks. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Nobody said bodies were intact. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. She returned to North Carolina in 1991. Judge Douglas Reichley heard arguments on the motion for post-conviction relief but did not issue a timeline for making a ruling, according to the Lehigh County District Attorney's Office. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. Find lehighvalleylive.com on Facebook. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. Patty is my cousin. Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. THE COPS SET HER UP. Prior to his incarceration, Mr Tates had a medical consultation in Dubai about a serious health condition, his team said. Several years ago, Jost's teenage son, Steven, helped Rorrer in her part-time job as a child photographer. Pennsylvania troopers will take her to Bethlehem, Pa., today. Lie detectors are pseudo science. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Probably by the jeans and the boots. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. None. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. ``This woman was a possible double murderer, so we had to protect the people out there,' Hege said. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. ANDREW KATRINAK OBITUARY KATRINAK Andrew G. Katrinak of Little Rock, Ark., beloved husband of the late Josephine Gawlowicz Katrinak, died peacefully at his home on Sunday, October 31,. You can cancel at any time. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Andrew F Katrinak was born on month day 1882, at birth place. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. It seems so, according to you. The first rule of a murder is motive. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. ``She told me she was praying about it.'. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Andrew Katrinak is never more than a foot away from his telephone. Everyone lies. Both were deceased. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. What evidence is there she actually left the state? Exactly Facebook gives people the power. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. He was born in Bethlehem son of the late Martin. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. She and Andrew Katrinak shared a house in Salisbury Township in the mid-1980s, when he was a self-employed contractor and she was a real-estate agent. Andrew Tate 's legal team has claimed he has a tumour as the detained influencer faces another month in a Romanian prison. Red-faced and crying, the tall woman wore an orange-and-white prison jumpsuit, flip-flops and ankle chains. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Until next time, cheers. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. Andrew married Mary A Katrinak (born Ondek). Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Martin Domin Editor, Mirror Fighting. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. Andrew J Katrinak, age 68, Drake, CO . Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. Search is on. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Andrew Tate and his brother detained by Romanian Police. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. Highly charged case. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! 10:02, 3 Mar 2023; Updated 10:31, 3 Mar 2023; Controversial influencer Andrew Tate's medical . And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. Name. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. Keep up your delusions. SHAME ON THEM. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. (Lehighvalleylive.com file photo). No charmed life. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Her mother was married to my uncle. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! You can choose on each post whether you would like it to be posted to Facebook. The state police dropped him as a suspect. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Search their Criminal Records, Contact Info, Photos and More 1) Andrew Katrinak's Phone & Current Address, Andrew Katrinak's Phone #, Address & More, Andrew Katrinak's Contact Info, Social Profiles & More, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@gmail, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@yahoo, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@hotmail, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@aol, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@outlook.
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