Especially if you like impact drivers lol. (with 18-Volt LXT Compact 2.0 Ah battery).  The tools are designed with an incredible feel to them. One cool feature to the impact is the modes located at the base of the tool. It's one of the many reasons I returned my Kobalt 24v drill; the chuck kept spinning and it wouldn't retain my bit after I let off the trigger. The toolkit from Makita comprises of 5 tools with 18V XLT, including a hammer driver drill, impact driver, recipro saw, circular saw, and xenon flashlight.  I just think they are that nice. (with 18V LXT Compact 2. Excited! The chuck has a nice ratchet feel, doesn't loosen either. Makita raised the bar with their subcompact line.  So why are we taking another look at it? I also found the grip of the M12 fuel to be a bit small and odd fitting.  If you are looking for a perfect drill and driver that won’t break the bank and are the top of the top, the Makita combo kit should be your choice. Thank you everyone! At least the ones I have. Is this common? Keep in mind that the Makita Subcompact Hammer Drill is essentially a 12V tool strapped to an 18V battery. As far as weight, the tool only weighs 2.8 lbs and that is with a battery. The only major flaw is the lack of a hammer option. If you were blindfolded and you picked up these tools, you would assume they were 12V tools, they are that small and lightweight. Everything that I own that's teal (or black as is my newest acquisition) is well made, well constructed and exceeds all of my expectations. Read our Editorial Guidelines to learn more about our team. Plus the assist mode is actually quite quiet. The compact size combined with the Makita-built brushless motor delivers up to 5,000 RPM and a superior power-to-weight ratio. Both of these deals are limited time, so I'd greatly appreciate honest opinions. I have to agree I still prefer a tool that has a little weight to it. Sub-Compact Cutting and Ripping The Sub-Compact 6-1/2” Circular Saw has a compact and ergonomic design at only 10-5/8” and 6.4 lbs. So here is the deal, a while back we reviewed this Makita combo set which you can find here. This isn't to say the Fuel isn't good (it certainly is), but I knew I made the right decision the minute I sank my first screw. Specifications Up to 30,000 RPM of speed A 6.5 amp motor 1.25 horsepower A total weight of 3.9 pounds Pros Fits in the hand well Can be easily transported Highly durable Cons Motor drops when unlocking the base And now let … Isn't the deal from HD $169 with a free tool or 4.0 battery? While all manufacturers have a compact drill on the market, I can’t find one that competes with the Makita.  These tools are compact, lightweight and offer plenty of power. So does this spell the end for the 12-volt tool class? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk. One thing that's really awkward about the 12v Fuels are their angled chucks on both the drill and impact. Even mentioned the fact that their Fuel drill/driver in particular is longer than most compact 18v drills these days. Our marketing partners don’t review, approve or endorse our editorial content. Today, LXT® Compact continues to refine the formula of faster-charging batteries, more power and speed, and a leading power-to-weight ratio. Batteries have the fuel gauge so you don't need the tool to see capacity. Makita Subcompact Review – Final Thoughts. 0Ah battery, battery and charger sold separately). Both Makita 18V LXT Sub-Compact Drill-Driver and Impact Driver have dual LED worklights, rubberized soft grip handles, and Makita’s BL brushless motors. One thing I've already noticed with the Fuel is the chuck spins. Just wanted to get some opinions on which way to go between the 12v brushless Fuel impact/hammer drill combo kit by Milwaukee and Makita's 18v brushless sub-compact drill/impact combo. It also includes two BL1820B 18V LXT Lithium-Ion compact 2.0Ah batteries and the DC18RC Rapid Optimum Charger. March 21, 2017 in Power Tools. Makita is the obvious choice to me. You have entered an incorrect email address! I'm not planning on purchasing more tools in either platform (I know, famous last words) once I make my decision. If you aren’t familiar with them, the sub-compact line is a smaller tool, that packs a powerful punch and still uses their 18V battery. I’ve been looking at some of the smaller drills and after a lot of debate I think 12v will work for me. They're set up that way (I'm assuming) so they can stand up with the smaller batteries but they just feel off when drilling and driving as I'm used to the 90 degree angles instead of the 45. note: made some quick 2x4 cuts and it … The 18-Volt LXT Sub-Compact Brushless 1/2 in.  This is where you’re wrong. The feel in the hand is awesome. × Clear editor. I think this 18v sub-compact lineup has taken the Makita 12v out of the market. Keep posting in this thread though, as I'm sure others are likely in the same boat with both promotions going on! Dewalt Combo Kit Review – 20V Drill & Impact, Makita Combo Kit Review – Drill Driver and Impact Driver, Milwaukee Drill Driver Revisit Plus Impact Driver. Haven’t used it myself yet, but all the reviews are stellar and I’m glad I bought it. Great balance and grip feel. Makita Sub-Compact gives users 12-Volt handling with 18-Volt run time and compatibility with the worlds largest 18-Volt lithium-ion cordless tool system. Makita Sub-Compact gives users 12-Volt handling with 18-Volt run time and compatibility with the worlds largest 18-Volt lithium-ion cordless tool system. I've also got the brushless grinder and the 36v chainsaw. I know its probably all mental and I'm sure manufacturer are using new light weight materials that are just as strong. The compact size combined with the Makita-built brushless motor delivers up to 5,000 RPM and a superior power-to-weight ratio. I love the Milwaukee M12 Fuel tools. Very nice controls. They both feel great ergonomically, and appear to have similar specs. Of all the comparisons to make I don't think this one stands up. The compact size combined with the Makita-built brushless motor delivers up to 5, 000 RPM and a superior power-to-weight ratio. The M12 stuff is good, but heavy and the balance is odd. Sometimes they'll say "we can't say anything yet but keep checking this page", mostly about storage solutions, but most companies don't talk about stuff much until the press release is out.  Personally, I think Makita broke the mold with the subcompact platform. I was gonna say... 18v Makita lineup is pretty big too. While he loves remodeling his house, his passion is spending time with his wife and two children. Makita Sub-Compact Drill XFD11ZB. The CX200RB combo kit contains the XFD11ZB compact drill/driver and the XDT15ZB impact driver.  Now I am not saying you’re going to be mixing concrete with the driver, but when you look at the size of these tools, you will be impressed by their output. These tools are awesome for hanging cabinets and a ton of other applications. Makita XSH04ZB 18V LXT Sub-Compact Brushless 6-1/2" Circular Saw I'll have to purchase a hook. saw, as well as Hitachi's Triple Hammer, so I'm not looking to expand much (if at all) in either the Milwaukee 12v or the Makita 18v (knock on wood). The drill is only 6-3/8″ long and remember this is an 18V, pretty impressive. Makita created a new class in cordless with Makita created a new class in cordless with 18-Volt LXT Sub-Compact tools. I'm slightly leaning Makita to begin with. Makita XRH06ZB 18V LXT Lithium-Ion Sub-Compact Brushless Cordless 11/16" Rotary Hammer, Accepts Sds-Plus Bits, Tool Only 4.7 out of 5 stars 82 $229.00 $ 229 . It will be for only these kits. Milwaukee has a sale at my Home Depot where the 12v Fuel is $169, while Makita's sub-compact kit comes with a free third battery for $229. Just used the sub-compact 18v impact driver today. The impact has 2 speeds and Cam out mode, with led control. I wanted sub-compact, but having 2 battery platforms sucks. There new stuff looks great. if you can wait id hold off for a few months to see what else they will bring out. They’re not going to crank out the same type of speed and power as most compact 18V drills, but they’re incredibly handy tools to have when you want 12V size without leaving Makita’s 18V battery. Great review I just ran across this page. torque and the impact offers 1,240 in.lbs. Hitachi really seems to be bringing new tools to the market lately. The noise level of the M12 is also crazy high. The new 18V LXT Sub-Compact Brushless includes the most compact and lightest weight tools in the 18V category, giving contractors the size and handling of a 12-volt tool with the performance, power and compatibility of 18 volt. They were groundbreaking when they were released but their size hasn't aged well. if so go Milwaukee. This has been on my wish list for some time now.  At The Home Depot, you can pick this kit up for about $240 which includes the drill, impact, two 2Ah batteries, a charger and a bag. Makita XSH04ZB LXt Sub-compact Cordless Circular Saw. For me it was simple. The only reason to buy the Milwaukee is practicality, there's a huge m12 lineup. trying to decide between the subcompact or M12 gen2 combo kit any advice. Both the drill and impact offer a ton of power for their size. That stinks you have to wait. The Makita is a much bigger line for their 18V tools and I really like how I can use one battery platform with the Makita. The XBP05ZB is a sub-compact cutting solution designed for one-handed operation in tight spaces and overhead cutting applications. It's awkward. Once you pick this tool up, you will understand why I feel this is the drill to own. The entire Sub-Compact lineup is designed to have the compact size and weight of 12-volt tools without forcing you away from Makita’s 18-volt battery. The trade-off comes with their available torque and speed. Milwaukee has the new version out which we will be reviewing soon. Makita CX200RB 18V LXT Sub-Compact Combo Kit. The charger for your m18s will work for the m12, so you aren't adding a charger. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The Sub-Compact 6-1/2” Circular Saw has a compact and ergonomic design at only 10-5/8” and 6. Makita Sub Compact Circular Saw Review Overview. By M12 fuel combo for 169 at HD, great price thereSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk, They are long overdue for a refresh, it's probably coming soon. Check out the price of the Makita RT0701C compact router. With the Makita, you get the best of both worlds!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk, The only reason to buy the Milwaukee is practicality, there's a huge m12 lineup. Paste as plain text instead, × Never used the Makita compact tools though. No matter how good a 12v line is, it will never have the power of an 18v etc. Big thank you to everyone who's posted. There are several 12-volt tool lines available that deliver high enough performance to be legiti… Thank you! The drill offers 2 speeds (0-500 & 0-1,700 RPM) and the impact offers (0-1,300/0-3,000 RPM). As of this month their last addition/edition are the Sub compact “Hammer drills” — XPH11ZB and DHP483ZB. By CATERPILLAR, March 8, 2017 in Makita. This drill/driver sits in between their regular premium line and the sub-compact.   You cannot paste images directly. Charging is super fast. The 18V Sub-Compact Impact Driver is part of a new class of compact, with the size and weight of lower voltage tools but with the performance, power and compatibility of 18-Volt. I know this is like comparing apples to oranges but I’m looking for a high quality drill for my home projects.   Your previous content has been restored. I'm trying to decide which tool set is best for my woodworking needs and I'm surprised that I can't find many video reviews on the black/white compact combo CT322W.  The drill offers 350 in.lbs. The hammer function on the m12 Fuel is nice to have but keep in mind that it isn't close to being as good as a m18 hammer functionality...so that difference is relatively moot. The 36v is a good selling point on the Makitas. Milwaukee has a sale at my Home Depot where the 12v Fuel is $169, while Makita's sub-compact kit comes with a free third battery for $229.  I still like cases for my tools. but that weight can be a good thing too.I  dont know,, i just have a problem with tools that defy gravity. 00 Both of them are great tools. I bought the set for my dad for $200 from HD, which is the present price. I reached out to Milwaukee via their Facebook page and asked them when/if they'd be releasing more compact M12 fasteners a few weeks ago, and they told me nothing was in the works.  The impact has an IPM rating of 0-1,600/0-3,900 IPM which means you can use this for a wide range of fasteners. if so go Makita. I'm not a big fan of Milwaukee but it's semantics at this point! Reply to this topic; Start new topic; Recommended Posts. CATERPILLAR 598 CATERPILLAR 598 Tool Extraordinaire; Members; 598 … Makita ; Compact vs Regular Sign in to follow this . Makita has the advantage with a length that’s nearly 4″ shorter than Skil and close to an inch shorter than DeWalt. and length of 7.25 inches, it can deliver as much as 480 in. Makita drill/driver premium vs compact vs sub-compact. One of the great things about 12v tools is their ergonomics. DeWalt has a 20V MAX tool kit consisting of five tools: a cordless drill, compact driver, flashlight, circular saw, and grinder. The 18V Sub-Compact Hammer Driver-Drill is part of a new class of compact, with the size and weight of lower voltage tools but with the performance, power and compatibility of 18-Volt. Powered by Invision Community, M12 fuel combo for 169 at HD, great price there, Opinions needed (Makita 18v Subcompact vs. Milwaukee 12v Fuel), http://www.homedepot.com/s/milwaukee%20m12%20free?NCNI-5. It's awesome. I like my M12 stuff but the Fuel M12 stuff isn't very compact anymore comparatively.  If you want compact to go with a 12V. I had the Fuel and now have the Makita subcompact. Just wanted to get some opinions on which way to go between the 12v brushless Fuel impact/hammer drill combo kit by Milwaukee and Makita's 18v brushless sub-compact drill/impact combo.  The 2Ah batteries provide ample run time and won’t die out even when fastening 3″ screws.  A ton of speed and power for most daily applications. × Stay up to Date on Tool Reviews, Tool News and More. I use some at work, but I usually keep the M18 handy for those particular tasks. The assist mode is friggin phenomenal for touch up work but will drive large fasteners easily. Performance, size and weight is practically indistinguishable on these two units.  I tried hard to find something I don’t like about them, but even with a low price tag, it’s hard to beat. Makita XFD10R 18V Compact Lithium-Ion Cordless Driver Drill Kit On the other side of the fence, we have a brushed cordless driver drill from Makita that produces incredible strength for its size. You can post now and register later. I have the brushless barrel grip 18v jigsaw, their new brushless 18v recip, the brushless 18v sander and the new compact impact gun. Display as a link instead, × M12 Fuel impact is quite a bit heavier and the balance is a bit off. The M12 Fuel hammer drill is actually pretty damn good. Like I said in the intro, you’re going to see a ton more sub-compact models from Makita this year, like the Sub-Compact LXT Reciprocating Saw I used on the Built In Closet project. Speaking of weight, I like the larger base of the 18v compared to the torpedo-style batteries. It's very clacky sounding too. 4 lbs. the feel of the m12 along with the build quality is what sold me on the system. Both tools are designed with a brushless motor which means more power and a longer life.  There is an A-Mode (assist Mode). Large selection of 12 volt tools by Milwaukee also. Its size, which is even smaller than other compact 18V models, makes it incredibly lightweight and compact. Makita 18v LXT XSH04 6-1/2″ Circular Saw. They seem to be clearing out a lot of M12 stuff. La Mirada, CA – Makita® has created a new class in cordless tools with the release of 18V LXT® Sub-Compact Brushless.  Not a bad deal to jump into a huge platform with two nice tools to start out with. Aaron, I don't have a lot of Makita tools but the ones I do own are wonderful tools.  This kit has been on the market for a while and we have heard a ton of feedback.  It’s clear this is a winning tool and we wanted to make sure it gets its respect from the tool world. The driver is only 2.8 lbs while the impact is only 2.6 lbs. It’s accurate to the best of our knowledge when posted. But it depends on what tools you want. Chuck for wobble too! Basically comes down to the grip you prefer, the batteries you have and whether the one-handed bit change is worth having 2.5 speeds instead of 4 (come on; the 887 precision mode doesn't really count for much lol). Charging is slow.... Makita has made a very nice sub compact set. Lastly, Milwaukee has more sales and that leads to better deals on eBay for new tools sold from kit splitters.  Amazing for an 18V system. The drill is so lightweight, it's hard to believe. In addition to having better ergonomics, I've found that the drill is superior (non-spinning chuck, shorter length) and the impact is as well (assist mode, slightly higher torque). Balance is a little off, but nothing bad enough to worry about.   Your link has been automatically embedded. The 18V sub-compact driver-drill and impact driver are a new category of compact, with the weight and size of lower voltage power tools but with the compatibility, power, and performance of 18V. I own the Milwaukees but I do like Makita...I'd get the Milwaukee, the tools are comparable, though the Makita (I believe) is smaller. He already has a 18v system so he has access to full sized tools. While only clocking in at an average weight of 3.3 lbs. The chuck is cheap and can loosen easily, but if you get one that is aligned properly, it's going to be fine for most jobs. These tool offer power of an 18V, but the size of a 12V tool. (with 18V LXT Compact 2.0Ah battery). But it was one of those things where you couldn’t have power and compact. How can you even sleep at night Makita? The expansive breadth-of-line of the Makita 18V LXT® Series means an 18V battery from any LXT® tool will power the 18V Sub-Compact Hammer Driver-Drill. Plus Enter to Win Future Tool Giveaways! But I'm just looking for something compact at the moment, and there isn't anything planned there and their 12v line is weak akin to DeWalt but with marginally better support. Skil has the weight advantage, better than 1.5 pounds lighter than Makita. Similar to the three previous models, this Makita XSH04ZB runs on the slide-style lithium-ion batteries known for having the fastest charge times. Torque is great considering the size.  I know some people say who cares about the feel, but if you are using tools all day, you understand how important the right tool can be. Makita Sub-Compact Drill / Driver & Impact Driver – Get a Grip on the Ergonomics Comfortable ergo with a compact form-factor make the Makita Sub-Compact tools feel like a natural extension of your hand. If Makita wanted to, I think they could have charged a premium and gotten away with it. Upload or insert images from URL. I didn't even put a bit in it; it continues to spin after I release the trigger for a second or two, and this happens on both the 1st and 2nd gear. T, Well the obvious counter would be:  Makita's 18V system is triple the size of Milwaukee's 12V. Eric is a huge Cubs fans and no, he is not related to Chevy Chase. A smaller, more compact design isn’t always good enough. Lots of power for the size tool. M12 Fuel vs Makita Sub Compact. The expansive breadth-of-line of the Makita 18-Volt LXT® Series means an 18-Volt battery from any LXT® tool will power the 18-Volt Sub-Compact Impact Driver. I don’t think so. I know Milwaukee's 12v Fuel has been out for 3-4 years, but they told me they don't have any plans to come out with newer versions of their Fuel fasteners.  When on this setting the tool controls itself to help eliminate cam out and cross threading by driving at low speeds. I like the feel of the 2753 over the dcf 887 because it feels like its built heavier in the motor and impact mechanism but in reality I'm sure the dcf 887 is probably just as durable and might be less fatiguing over a days work. The Makita 18V LXT Sub-Compact Combo Kit is the perfect – and right now, only – solution for the Pro who insists on carrying both heavy-duty and truly compact cordless tools every day without having to buy into a separate battery platform. The Sub-Compact 6-1/2 Circular Saw has a compact and ergonomic design at only 10-5/8 and 6.4 lbs. The most glaring and annoying thing about the Makita impact is that it doesn't have a quick load collet. While all manufacturers have a compact drill on the market, I can’t find one that competes with the Makita. Tools in Action It seems for $229 you can get the Fuel hammer drill, Fuel impact driver, 4.0 battery, 2.0 battery and a free brushed tool or 4.0 battery. So here is our Makita Subcompact Review. It's light, compact and super comfortable to use. Nice Review. if you wanted to get one id go makita. We need to go Sub-Compact! I picked up the 12v Fuel to give it a trial run, and will do the same with the Makita, and return one or the other (or both) after testing them out a bit. If you need a simple comparison, I can give you my personal experience and observations. and they told me that this drill will be available in a kit-form (with impactor) later this year. I tried hard to find something I don’t like … I use to think if you want power, go with an 18V. The 1/2-inch drill-driver is 6-3/8-inch long, boasts a mechanical variable 2-speed transmission of 0-500 and 0-1,700 RPM, and weights 2.8 pounds including the 18V battery. Yes but the m12 lineup is bigger than the Makita 18v compact line. When you squeeze, the back of grip it feels like it pushes away from your hand. The Makita 18V LXT Sub-Compact Brushless The Makita 18V LXT Sub-Compact Brushless Cordless Portable Band Saw (XBP05ZB, tool only) delivers cordless metal cutting power in a compact size. http://www.homedepot.com/s/milwaukee%20m12%20free?NCNI-5. Makita finishes with a slight advantage over Skil in the overall size race. I was speaking to a national rep (Canada). aabee, Followers 2. The assist mode is worth the difference in the kits alone, and it operates smoother and quieter. Once you get it, let us know what you think. Agree, I like the M12 Fuel tools as well, as they are perfect garage use.  You can pick this kit up at The Home Depot and the kit comes with a drill, impact, two batteries and a charger. I already have Milwaukee's surge/hammer drill 18v combo and a Fuel circ. I friggin' love it. All of these come inside a stylish contractor bag that has the trademark color of Makita. Editorial Note: Tools in Action receives compensation from third-party advertisers, but that doesn’t affect our editors’ opinions. i have an old milwaukee 9inch grinder thats weighs 14.8 lbs. Square Drive Impact Wrench Kit is ideal for working in tight spaces and for overhead applications. The drill is lightweight and feels great in your hands. LXT® Compact delivers outstanding performance without the bulkiness and weight of the typical cordless tool offered by competitors. i like to feel the tool in my hand, maufactures are being pressed so hard to make things lighter and smaller, some of the new tools i pick up today are so light, that they feel really cheap, thats not for me, but thats me talking.  Yes, there are other manufacturers who make subcompact tools but trust me, they are not like the Makita subcompact. Speaking of compact, let’s jump into the Makita Sub Compact Circular Saw Review and see how this saw performs.  If I had to be picky, it would be the bag. There is more plastic and aluminum making it lighter, but not as durable. These tools are compact, lightweight and offer plenty of power. Do you want a cordless ratchet? I've been using my 18v jigsaw for the last several weeks and though it ain't my Carvex it's an awesome portable saw. It's also the cheapest of the trio. Much better than the impact for overall performance. i dont have a problem at all with my m12 fuel system, i have five tools inside a milwaukee hard case along with  four lights, two chargers and a bunch of batteries.cant do that with my 18 volt dewalt system. That new compact gun is awesome! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Any operator can surely make the most of this tool as it spends more time working than sitting on the charger. I’m a DIYer but want quality features and long lasting performance.  These tools are awesome. of torque.  However, they chose to offer an incredible value for these. Two-Handed: Makita 18V LXT Brushless Sub-Compact Reciprocating Saw. The Makita sub-compact tools have been a big hit. Compact vs Regular. Their social media team will say nothing about anything that hasn't been formally announced. I'm going to go with the Makita.   Pasted as rich text. That was my only real complaint with the M12 Fuel drill, the sloppy chuck. The big deal surrounding the new Makita Sub-Compact Circular Saw involves its combination of performance and size. If you were to pick up these tools, I promise you that your first thoughts would be they feel good and they are cool, but won’t perform much work. The lightweight and compact design are certainly there along with performance that exceeds most 12-volt tools. Re: Hitachi, they're indeed killing it of late; their Triple Hammer is my Rolls Royce of power tools. Do you want a hand held planer, sander, or other wood working tools?