I am over the moon thrilled! That's the Breeze way. *No insurance provided. Makes sense, and given right now there is a surplus of supply of pilots in the market they are able to lower wages to increase profits and thus be more likely to succeed. Or what if you Wow, quite a few idiot comments: Just wondering if there will be many legal challenges here? Think lifeguards. The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. First year SkyWest pilots make more than Breeze pilots. I don't think any new business venture in a competitive feel can be termed "exploitative." A cult, . This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. JetBlue First Officers: $89 an hour for year 1 and $130 an hour by year 6, Captains at JetBlue: $192 an hour to start, then a climb to $203 an hour by year. Launching an airline carrier during a pandemic when aviation losses are in the billions, seems to be a tricky business proposition. When I met my wife, she wanted to be a physical therapist. I hope it does not come off the ground and if it does, it goes bankrupt after a week. At the end of last month, the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA - AFA United Master Executive Council analyzed Breeze's program. There's a lot Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Just as the cure for high prices, are high prices, the cure for low wages, are low wages. The Breeze growth story is extraordinary. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. No guests. Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. Young, unattached, few opportunities, and committed to finishing school in 4 years. Seems like they could be taking advantage of this particular moment in time, and the situation the industry is in. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. They can earn $40,000-$60,000 a year, cut you open, and often perform your entire surgery under the direct and indirect supervision of attending physicians, who are more experienced and make more like $350,000 to $700,000 a year. Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. In youth I worked fast food full-time for many years. Given that long haul truckers can make that and more, with additional signing bonuses, you must really love to fly and be desperate. I interviewed with them for cabin crew You must be enrolled at Utah Valley University full-time and maintain 3.0 GPA. Flight attendants as interns is a novel idea on paper but. When I flew with Virgin America I was based at SFO, but lived in ORD. This is absolutely exploitive. I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Policies. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? It's capitalism in it's most raw form. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. And yes, if a doctor is an intern at my hospital I would And yes, if a doctor is an intern at my hospital I would not hesitate scheduling surgery (I'm sure he/she is cheaper) since I know he's had full training. New. Good luck with that. Even the ME3 flight attendants start on a salary of around $3,000 per month plus housing and that is tax-free. May be this a good business model. Great idea. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. 14% below the national average Job openings matching Flight Attendant in Breeze Airways Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time BDL Hartford, CT 30+ days ago Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time ORF document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. Even if it flies at first, at some point of growth, you won't be able to justify career training. Neeleman hopes to cut costs by designing the airline around technology, including a smartphone app that he hopes will handle all customer interactions until the day of travel, and also generate a lot of ancillary revenue. This is how young doctors learn their craft in America and all over the world. By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. Whats my take? of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. report. The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. Yes, I'm probably talking about you dummy. With the A220 entering service in early 2022, the company will rapidly expand its network throughout the US and beyond, creating new base opportunities, very attractive lines of flying, very quick upgrades, and excellent quality of life. I could not afford to live in SFO and couldn't find another crashpad with openings unless I hot racked. I can just imagine the sick calls on the weekends. Considering that airlines pay for very expensive training twice a year, this tactic may prove more expensive in the long run. Their value is astronomical. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. Criticizing workers for lack of professional ambition is part of our toxic "professional achievement & success, income as identity" culture, especially where there are so many ways to live fulfilling lives that are not defined by constant growth of income. There is nothing wrong with it: young doctors tend to be closest to what's cutting edge and have read the latest medical studies and literature. return on investment. . With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. The most qualified and competent FA candidates will not be happy with a job that is Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. And its an immediate tip-of-the-hat to what their culture will be based onmoney is king, you dont matter. D. Delta Echo Well-Known Member. I make it to one-on-one video interview and was told I was too old to join program. Others might say its borderline exploitative. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. To work part-time only, with no benefits, as an "intern". The pay scale offered is not "borderline exploitative", it IS exploitative. Breeze knows this. Maybe there are ancillary benefits/travel privileges' that are enormously valuable to some people. Airline startup Breeze Airways is set to offer Pilots uncompetitive pay in comparison to the rest of the airline industry. pilots from the majors who took retirement might jump at the chance to fly again. This means pilots (not just new pilots ) are out there making with the government wants minimum wage to be. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! You get what you pay for folks! The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. New airline Breeze Airways releases hourly wage numbers. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on the same route regardless of what they think of labor rights or real college education. May I ask the age range that they are seeking @TravisFromORD? It's not so nice to say, but the truth is that young untrained employees aren't always worth that much. What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. 2. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. Very clever. Is Breeze Airways pilot pay unreasonable? To compare, many carriers guarantee at least 75 hours a month. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! So theres not much benefit to jumping ship and resetting your seniority at another airline. 1200/month in 2021??? My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. We spend $100K plus on flight training plus college for most of us. Having been a flight attendant I can tell you 15 days is not part time. Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor policy for flight attendants just so happens to be maintaining a youthful labor force as seniors depart from - er graduate - their internships and are replaced by freshmen (and women; the term fresh was intentionally omitted as that does not exactly present well given the context). There is no contract (at will employment) and health insurance is provided and optional. How many people can't afford to start a new business or begin a new endeavour because they are tethered to their current employer solely because of the insurance. The offered wages are above-average ates in the United States. Maintenance is the number one important. Thanks for the weird post about the fast food you like, though :). Its schedule, price, loyalty program. Technology is greatuntil something goes wrong. The end result will be lesser pilots and more accidents in the future. There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners, Pilots generally get paid for flight hours; the hourly rate might seems high, but pilots arent getting paid for anywhere close to 40 hours per week of work, Pay varies depending on whether youre captain or first officer, and each year your pay typically increases, up to a certain cap, Other than hourly pay, one other important metric is minimum guaranteed monthly hours, since guaranteed hours multiplied by hourly pay guarantees your minimum monthly pay, First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six, Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six, Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), A first officer is looking at earning $36,300 in the first year, and $62,040 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $77,220 in the first year, and $94,380 in the sixth year, In absolute terms these are above average salaries in the US, However, pilot training is expensive, and an Embraer 195 has nearly 120 seats, so its bigger than your typical regional jet; also, the airline will eventually fly A220s, and presumably pay wont be much better, Breeze is expecting more from pilots than regional airlines, as applicants already need a type rating for Embraer aircraft, and also need more experience, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to JetBlue pilot pay, since, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to SkyWest pilot pay; pilots often go to regional airlines to gain experience early on, and this typically represents the lowest pay youll find in the airline industry, First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying, A JetBlue Embraer 190 first officer is looking at earning $80,100 in the first year, and $117,000 in the sixth year, A JetBlue Embraer 190 captain is looking at earning $172,800 in the first year, and $182,700 in the sixth year, First officers are paid $45 per hour in year one, and $59 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $79 per hour in year one, and $91 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 76 hours per month of flying, A first officer is looking at earning $41,040 in the first year, and $53,808 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $72,048 in the first year, and $82,992 in the sixth year, The most unreasonable part of Breezes pay arrangement is the minimum guaranteed hours, rather than the hourly rate as such; everyone needs a certain amount of money to cover their bills, and the minimum monthly amount sure is low, Breeze is essentially trying to pay like a regional airline, while requiring more experience to get hired (pilots need to be type rated on Embraer aircraft, and need 1,000 hours of fixed-wing turbine time), Between the flight attendant employment arrangement and the pilot pay, it doesnt seems like Breeze is trying to build a culture that encourages employees to stay with the company long term, It takes years (and a lot of money) to get to the point where you can get this job, youre flying a plane that retails for tens of millions of dollars, and you have the lives of nearly 120 people at a time in your hands, and youre potentially being paid ~16% above a $15 minimum wage (which we have in many cities nowadays). Both the developers and the company very much like this arrangement. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. Can't believe. Do public transportation and see the sites that are free. As youd expect, existing flight attendant unions will no doubt be targeting Breeze: The largest U.S. flight attendants union says it looks like an attempt to abuse federal work-study subsidies to hold down labor costs. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. At least, I can't find that information. The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. @Jason -- Sprit is not that profitable, certainly nowhere close to Delta. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. Death to racist capitalism, Life and good health to the international working class. The Dept. I am quite happy Doctor Kendor didn't get too comfortable in some cushy union-enabled physical therapy gig offering an artificial pay scale and relentlessly reinforcing an artificial sense of self-importance. Thanks for update !! All rights reserved. That 20-hour difference each month makes a huge difference in annual salary, regardless of the hourly rate offered. Does the hourly rate even amount to minimum wage? The corporate-provided housing actually sounds like an appealing thing for many college students. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. . They cost a lot to train up and cost a lot to manage. Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. He is probably right in both those factors. Pilots from Compass and Expressjet will flock to Breeze to maintain currency. The airline carrier has opted to utilize a fleet of Embraer 195s. Many young girls and guys want to be a flight attendant from 20-65 or older. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Over time, these airplanes are to be swapped out with Airbus A220s. Or perhaps thats actually the goal that Breeze wants a revolving door of pilots so that it can keep pilots towards the bottom of the pay scale. Were going to work hard to make sure this doesnt get off the ground, says Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. Unions. Such a shame. And which also clearly states that there will be no contract renewal. No per diem or overnight trips means you can forget about exploring any new cities (not that you could afford to do anything in another city anyway). $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. All rights reserved. Well what about Maintenance. @rich Does your fast food place include housing as part of compensation? 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! JetBlue pilots earn significantly more per hour and are given a 70-hour monthly guarantee. "The price of food is so high, they should be grateful!". 1200 a month is laughable and embarrassingly low. It's not like America's legacy airlines are immune to hiring very young, very inexperienced people. Flew my 4day trip and took a Delta flight departing at 12:25am to MSP and connected to MDW. For example, I recently wrote about how Breeze is only hiring flight attendants if they enroll full time in college, and live in company housing. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. Free housing with huge tuition reimbursement. If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter. Close. If the pay is off the mark, the marketplace will correct this soon enough: pilots have options, and they know it. Love it! David Neeleman has always been a skinflint. The industry does need an overall. Our Pilots are overall Leaders who safely take care of our Team Members and Guests. You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). your username . The average pilot will make more than this. New airplane, new business model. Pros - quick getting on plane and sitting down, a few empty seats, very fast getting luggage back to you Cons - You have to pay extra for any seat you choose. Housing is a huge hurdle for new flight attendants. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. Free shipping for many products! They will also receive $6,000 towards tuition for online coursework and company housing. Lots of opinion injected here but believe me they do not have a shortage of applications. Its all about price. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? Breeze Airways First Officers: $62,000 by year six, JetBlue First Officers: $117,000 by year six, Breeze Airways Captains: $94,000 by year six. This arrogant capitalist needs to be forced to live in poverty too. It is a pity that in this country, health care Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. ), what most likely happened after you got your paralytic and your anesthesia is some slightly tired, fresh-face resident came in to practice his/her craft on you. I wish you luck in you career and travels. @Wendy B Gates - Breeze didn't specifically tell me I'm too old, they said I was overqualified. Finally, an "internship" employment model has limited potential for growth. Oh, and first crew base is MYR. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. Spirit flight attendants are generally better than AA and UA. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. *No insurance provided. We are in search of the best and the brightest to join our dynamic team of aviation and people enthusiasts. The good news is that the hourly wages are above-average. I wonder what other benefits and tax breaks Breeze gets, in exchange for providing "jobs". If not enough apply because the pay is too low, then the company can decide if they want to raise their pay. Breeze Airways provides nonstop service between underserved routes across the U.S. at affordable fares. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. Today the average annual income for A320 FO's are at incredible $20k. Hire new, low hours FO with a salary that is 30% lower than the market on the promise that they will be promoted to captain in 1 year. Posts: 36,185. JetBlue is the only other major US airline to fly Embraer 190/195s, proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, Introduction: Four Times Across The Atlantic. The pay is horrifically low, though. When it comes to Breeze Airways, theres good news and bad news.